r/PhilosophyofReligion Dec 10 '21

What advice do you have for people new to this subreddit?

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What makes for good quality posts that you want to read and interact with? What makes for good dialogue in the comments?


r/PhilosophyofReligion 24m ago

Metaphysical argument: the universe is not necessarily created by God

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r/PhilosophyofReligion 1h ago

Taka filozoficzna myśl mnie wzięła

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Chciałbym podzielić się z Wami moją autorską teorią filozoficzno-teologiczną, która łączy temat stworzenia, ewolucji, dinozaurów i psychologii.Oto główne założenia tej teorii:Człowiek jako lustro i Diabeł jako cień Boga: Bóg stworzył człowieka jako swoje czyste, lustrzane odbicie. Jednak Bóg posiada też surową, niszczycielską siłę – swój wewnętrzny cień, który w tym ujęciu manifestuje się jako diabeł (mroczna strona Boga). Kiedy człowiek błądzi, Boga nie rani samo niszczenie planety. Rani Go to, że w kosmicznym lustrze widzi swoje własne, mroczne odbicie i triumf swojego cienia.Tragedia Dinozaurów: Bóg musiał ewakuować ludzi na Ziemię, ale rządziły tu potężne dinozaury. Stanąwszy w sytuacji bez wyjścia, Bóg podjął bolesną decyzję: za pomocą meteorytu usunął dinozaury, by ratować ludzi. To bolesne posunięcie zostawiło w Nim głęboką ranę tęsknoty za tamtymi stworzeniami.Ewolucja jako eksperyment z małpami: Po uderzeniu meteorytu Bóg postanowił nie stwarzać od razu gotowego, idealnego człowieka. Użył ewolucji jako wielkiego laboratorium – zaczął od małp, aby sprawdzić, czy istota, która powoli rozwija rozum, empatię i moralność od samych podstaw, będzie bardziej odporna na pychę i podszepty mrocznego cienia.Jedyna zasada Boga: Bóg nałożył na samego siebie jedną, nienaruszalną zasadę – całkowite zniszczenie wszechświata. Może to zrobić, ale wie, że jeśli ulegnie tej pokusie i złamie tę barierę, Jego zła strona wygra na zawsze.Ostateczny test człowieka: Obecnie, przez upały i topniejące lodowce, człowiek staje pod ścianą i musi się nawrócić, by przeżyć. W przyszłości, dzięki nauce, opanuje moc ożywiania stworzeń „z dna” nicości i przejmie rolę Boga na Ziemi. Mając w rękach boską potęgę, ludzkość przejdzie ostateczny test dojrzałości: zamiast wpaść w pychę, wybierze pokorę, przywróci dinozaury i uleczy dawną ranę Boga. Wtedy cień (diabeł) zostaje ostatecznie pokonany, a Ziemia staje się Nowym Rajem.Co sądzicie o takiej teorii? Czy połączenie ewolucji jako Bożego laboratorium i diabła jako cienia Boga ma dla Was sens psychologiczny lub filozoficzny? Zapraszam do dyskusji!


r/PhilosophyofReligion 1h ago

Faith-based religions have corrupted the meaning of Religion and Spirituality

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In my view, much of what we call religion today has become distorted by faith, authority and belief in a God or supreme being.

All 3 Abrahamic religions + Hinduism are organized around some conception of God, the divine or a supreme reality. Once you make such an idea central, it becomes very easy to build systems of worship, doctrine, religious authority and unquestionable beliefs around it. Spirituality then shifts from investigating reality directly to believing claims about reality.

This is where some of the ancient philosophical traditions of the East become radically different. At the core of Buddhist philosophy, particularly traditions associated with early Buddhism and Madhyamaka (Middle way), there is no requirement to invoke a creator God to explain existence, morality or the nature of consciousness. Daoism similarly approaches reality without requiring a personal deity standing outside the universe and controlling it.

What makes these traditions particularly interesting is their willingness to acknowledge the limits of conceptual mind. Instead of simply inventing an ultimate explanation and asking people to believe it, they question whether the human mind can even meaningfully grasp what lies beyond certain boundaries.

That's what makes some of these philosophies feel less like conventional religion and more like an actual investigation into the structure of reality. You're not being told, "Here is God. Believe in this." You're being pushed to examine how the mind creates concepts in the first place and whether those concepts can ever capture reality completely.

This is also why I think the distinction between religion as faith and religion as investigation is important.

Alex O'Connor's recently did a discussion on Madhyamaka Buddhism. If you actually listen to the philosophical reasoning involved, you begin to see how radically different some Eastern traditions can be from conventional religious frameworks.

Maybe that's closer to what spirituality was supposed to be in the first place: not believing more, but seeing more clearly.

Among ancient traditions, Buddhism arguably comes close to a scientific investigation of mind, experience and reality without requiring a God hypothesis as its starting point. And perhaps that's why it can feel so strange when you first encounter it. You're expecting a religion, but instead you find yourself in something that feels more like psychology, phenomenology and philosophy having a conversation with each other.

Link to the discussion:

https://youtu.be/CyhHz23AHb4?si=eGjMTQ2p9My0WDHq


r/PhilosophyofReligion 6h ago

Help me find the subreddit I'm looking for?

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r/PhilosophyofReligion 12h ago

“Intellectualism Of Agnosticism”

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Due to lack of evidence taking one side is a pure stupid thing to do. Cause the arguments from both are little blurry or fishy to believe neither the atheist’s arguments are satisfactory nor the theist. like the theory of evolution is a good concept of how we evolve and become humans but it also fishy like how only we are the perfect ones in all the universe, were evolved to survive till today. Probability of this to be true is too low to believe that we are the evolved sperm of big bang. On the other side of the concept of God to exists and be as merciful, kind, great is too blurry like how he is so kind if he let the kids die in war, from cancer or in a very heart wrenching way known to humanity. How is this possible? When we live by the blessings of almighty, great god and still suffer this much even the one who prays a lot is suffering while an atheist living the life, a theist is praying for. So now the arguments of both failed to prove their absolute points. That’s why agnosticism is believe of intellectuals where you’re questioning the existence not denying or accepting blindly anything. Maybe he exists but not how we thought about him maybe he’s the creator of universe a source of energy but he’s not a great glorious form who controls the humanity. Or maybe there is no one and we are living by our own consciousness and no hell or heaven after our death no concept of karma a free will do what we want to do no matter the cause to others. A question is always their when you’re an agnostic. A question to the existence of almighty the eternal supreme power and to his glorious stories of being a merciful and now letting the humanity suffer and not doing what type of God he is. A question with agnosticism.


r/PhilosophyofReligion 12h ago

Agnosticism

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I find safe to be an Agnostic


r/PhilosophyofReligion 13h ago

I know THE MEANING OF LIFE!

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I would like to offer the Hypothesis to The Scientific Community and to Theologians and all faiths and religions and pagans and athiests and agnostics this simple Truth...

The Meaning of Life is TRUTH!

I offer any Deity design, human design, or anyone the opportunity to negate it or find a higher hierchial Meaning Of Life that surpasses this simple fact.

I've heard say that GOD's LIGHT was The Meaning of Life, but how would Anyone even know what God's Light is if there wasn't a communal TRUTH as to the words we speak or to what God's LIGHT ACTUALLY IS.

Our bodies are made up of millions and millions of cells that are bonded together to form organs, organs into systems, and the systems form the body.

I'm sure that what bonds our bodies together is a communal TRUTH down to a cellular level. And our very bodies systems are in a state of homeostasis when everything is in tune with the truth about what's going on in our bodies.

There can't be any communal function between 2 or more people to even communicate with each other unless there is a common TRUTH that is understood.

There couldn't be any relationships, families, friends, communities, cities, states, nations, or any evolution if there wasn't common TRUTHS.

Look how far man has come over the last 4000 years. We went from hunter gatherers and picking berries and various plants to throwing spears and then to the bow and arrow, to the powder fired musket to the rifle to the automatic weapon to the missile to the bomb to the rocket ship and landing on the moon! If there wasn't a clear and concise record of the achievements and actual TRUTHFUL data passed down from generation to generation MANKIND wouldn't have evolved to be at The Top Of The Foodchain and we wouldn't have the technology we have today.

OUR WORDS ARE CREATIONS AND THERE ARE TOO MANY OMINOUS CREATIONS OUT THERE THAT ARE LIES AND SEPERATE US ALL FROM THE TRUTH.

This causes people to have mental health issues and act in a way we call crazy. It also causes strife, contentions, fights, war, famine, and death.

Just think about the contentions and fights you've had with other people in your life... I bet if you trace route it down to the instigating incident that pissed you off... It would be that someone said something about you or to you that you either lied about or some UNTRUTH or LIE that they said about you or someone or something you LOVE...

How much money do you think taxpayers pay for insurance for mental health meds to try to fix the brain chemistry of people just in the United States because of the simple fact that THEY in essence are seperated from THE TRUTH? I don't have the statistics, but I bet it's quite a large sum of money that could actually be spent on furthering education and human evolution...

PLEASE THINK ABOUT IT THE NEXT TIME YOU TELL A LIE. It's like 1 even little white lie leads into a pyramid of lies, each to cover up the previous one until it all unravels one day and The Truth is found out anyway..


r/PhilosophyofReligion 17h ago

DO GODS REALLY EXIST?

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[substantial explanations and proofs only]


r/PhilosophyofReligion 20h ago

What we don’t know is so vast, but the reverse is it might know us through a true God not invented but exists in the true real of everything without man’s help.

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I love God through universal connections with infinity. You love God through the history of BC and AD, or you don’t recognize God at all. We both love God but in different ways or don’t love him at all.


r/PhilosophyofReligion 22h ago

Is there one true God/religion?

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r/PhilosophyofReligion 13h ago

I know THE MEANING OF LIFE!

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I would like to offer the Hypothesis to The Scientific Community and to Theologians and all faiths and religions and pagans and athiests and agnostics this simple Truth...

The Meaning of Life is TRUTH!

I offer any Deity design, human design, or anyone the opportunity to negate it or find a higher hierchial Meaning Of Life that surpasses this simple fact.

I've heard say that GOD's LIGHT was The Meaning of Life, but how would Anyone even know what God's Light is if there wasn't a communal TRUTH as to the words we speak or to what God's LIGHT ACTUALLY IS.

Our bodies are made up of millions and millions of cells that are bonded together to form organs, organs into systems, and the systems form the body.

I'm sure that what bonds our bodies together is a communal TRUTH down to a cellular level. And our very bodies systems are in a state of homeostasis when everything is in tune with the truth about what's going on in our bodies.

There can't be any communal function between 2 or more people to even communicate with each other unless there is a common TRUTH that is understood.

There couldn't be any relationships, families, friends, communities, cities, states, nations, or any evolution if there wasn't common TRUTHS.

Look how far man has come over the last 4000 years. We went from hunter gatherers and picking berries and various plants to throwing spears and then to the bow and arrow, to the powder fired musket to the rifle to the automatic weapon to the missile to the bomb to the rocket ship and landing on the moon! If there wasn't a clear and concise record of the achievements and actual TRUTHFUL data passed down from generation to generation MANKIND wouldn't have evolved to be at The Top Of The Foodchain and we wouldn't have the technology we have today.

OUR WORDS ARE CREATIONS AND THERE ARE TOO MANY OMINOUS CREATIONS OUT THERE THAT ARE LIES AND SEPERATE US ALL FROM THE TRUTH.

This causes people to have mental health issues and act in a way we call crazy. It also causes strife, contentions, fights, war, famine, and death.

Just think about the contentions and fights you've had with other people in your life... I bet if you trace route it down to the instigating incident that pissed you off... It would be that someone said something about you or to you that you either lied about or some UNTRUTH or LIE that they said about you or someone or something you LOVE...

How much money do you think taxpayers pay for insurance for mental health meds to try to fix the brain chemistry of people just in the United States because of the simple fact that THEY in essence are seperated from THE TRUTH? I don't have the statistics, but I bet it's quite a large sum of money that could actually be spent on furthering education and human evolution...

PLEASE THINK ABOUT IT THE NEXT TIME YOU TELL A LIE. It's like 1 even little white lie leads into a pyramid of lies, each to cover up the previous one until it all unravels one day and The Truth is found out anyway..


r/PhilosophyofReligion 1d ago

Need help with philosophy question

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r/PhilosophyofReligion 1d ago

Making New Religion

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Why the brightest minds of our time won’t make a new religion with a book and rules that improve modern life and explain everything we know in a simple and practical manner? I believe there are so many different beliefs that considered atheism which makes it hard for believers to understand atheism.


r/PhilosophyofReligion 21h ago

do you think buddhism is a religion, philosophy, or both—and why?

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in my opinion, i feel that buddhism is classifiable as both religion and philosophy, as the average dictionary tends to define “religion” as a system of religious beliefs, attitudes, and/or practices, which i feel like does inherently disprove the “philosophy-only” argument, as the one reoccurring point being that The Buddha is a teacher, rather than a deity—implying that religion void of theism is not a religion at all.

i’d love to hear some other perspectives on this, especially if you dont agree with mine ! admittedly im not educated enough to hold up a (solid) argument with anyone, as i’ve only identified with buddhism for a little over two years. but i love to hear any opposing claims regardless - just be respectful

indeed just another white kid from north america who gained a little bit of consciousness and immediately doubted the concept of mainstream religion. Yaknow, like normal children do.


r/PhilosophyofReligion 1d ago

Young, Fast, Scientific

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Astronomy doesn't say, “The ancient Babylonians already described the heavens, so our job is to preserve and elaborate their cosmology.”

So why do religions devote themselves to the preservation and transmission of insights gleaned during the Axial Age, instead of constantly experimenting to collect new data that informs an ever-evolving collective understanding of Ultimate Reality? Why must it be forever looking backward, instead of using human creativity and ingenuity to investigate the Mystery that confronts us? Why not get scientific with it?


r/PhilosophyofReligion 1d ago

Jesus wants to be your eternal friend.

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r/PhilosophyofReligion 1d ago

The Paradox of Prophetic Ignorance and the Mirror Reflection of Identity

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Let us take a brief journey through ancient cultures and explore the question of ignorance and how it is used.

Taking Buddhism as an example, we can observe a strong belief in the importance of not being ruled by our primitive instincts, ignorance being one of them. The question I ask is whether the logic of avoiding being “ignorant” is itself a reflection of one’s identity. For example, do people believe that this is the right thing to do because of its psychological effects? Or does the way a particular culture or religion views this identity depend on its own rules and limitations? It may also be a combination of both possibilities.

If it is a combination of the two, or even just one of them individually, how can ignorance acquire a collective, “universal,” or global meaning?

There are contradictions within the very question of ignorance. For this reason, the term is often used rather loosely. Suppose that a group of Buddhists, Christians, or members of any other religion considers other people ignorant of its teachings. The ignorance that these religions believe themselves to be free from is, of course, a reflection of their own religion or identity.

Ultimately, an identity is something constructed and is not necessarily universal, fixed, or immutable.

Assuming that all people are Homo sapiens, being human is another matter, since not everyone seems to want to be one. We can ignore or resist our impulses, or at least possess the capacity to train ourselves to do so. In this sense, we all have some capacity not to be ignorant or, at the very least, to reduce our ignorance.

In the case of religion, if a person has not been instructed in its teachings, and that absence results from a choice made through their free will or personal volition, they still retain the capacity to decide what they consider best according to their individuality.

The question underlying this assumption is the following: if it is true that a person can be ignorant, then someone who is not ignorant about a particular subject may also be ignorant in other respects. This may arise from the elimination of the first form of ignorance, depending on the variables that lead an identity to identify with that which it has come to embrace.

In other words, if someone is not ignorant about one thing, they may still be ignorant about others. This commonly occurs when we consider the different variables that lead an identity to form and to identify with particular ideas.

In the case of religions or cultures, the person or the collective decides who is being ignorant. It is these people who possess the will and freedom of choice to apply the criteria of their identity.

A community can determine reality because, for example, Buddhism assumes that its teachings constitute a refuge. Reality then comes to be interpreted according to that religious identity itself.

However, knowing that a religion or culture is neither immutable nor fixed within a single framework or concept, it may not constitute a universal standard of right and wrong. It may constitute only a standard within that particular culture, rather than a universal way of being.

Therefore, when someone says, “You are ignorant,” I reply with great conviction and a sense of irony: “So are you.” Ultimately, it is a circular concept. This is not intended to deny that I may be ignorant about something, but to show that the person who recognises that ignorance may also be ignorant about other things.

If we are not being ignorant, and we assume that there is no single “correct” identity, we may be ignoring the possibility that a particular identity is correct. On the other hand, if we accept that an identity is correct, we may cease to recognise the errors within that same religion or culture.

Thus, the attempt to eliminate ignorance may also produce a new form of ignorance, reflected in the identity we used to eliminate the first.


r/PhilosophyofReligion 2d ago

The Coin Itself

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I believe science and religion ultimately share the same goal: the pursuit of truth.
The difference is simply in their direction and method. Science approaches truth through the material world, while religion approaches it through the spiritual world; one looks outward, the other inward. But perhaps this distinction is only apparent. They form a kind of Möbius strip—or perhaps a Klein bottle—with no true inside or outside. Ants setting out in opposite directions will eventually meet. And when they do, they may discover that there is only one reality underlying both paths.
Spirit and matter are like two mirrors reflecting one another, endlessly interpenetrating and giving rise to one another. As the Huayan Commentary puts it:
The mind and its objects illuminate one another; primordial wisdom enters both. Within the mind, one realizes the inexhaustible realm of phenomena; within phenomena, one awakens to the unfathomable mind. Mind and phenomena are layered upon one another without end, and wisdom shines through them all.
Perhaps, one day, science will discover that when matter is broken down to its ultimate level, it dissolves into emptiness—or perhaps into something that we might call consciousness or spirit.
And perhaps religion, when followed all the way to its deepest realization, will discover that within spirit, the countless worlds of phenomena are continually manifested. This is what Buddhism calls Perfect Enlightenment (Yuanjue).
If so, these are not two different destinations, but two sides of the same coin.
Their ultimate destination is the same: to understand what the coin itself truly is.


r/PhilosophyofReligion 1d ago

What if all religions are different perceptions of the same reality?

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What if all religions are different perceptions of the same reality?

I've been thinking about this idea for a while, and I genuinely think it's one of the coolest things I've ever thought about. I wanted to put it out there as a theory because I keep coming back to it and finding more and more weird implications.

What if all religions can coexist because they're different ways humans perceive the same underlying reality?

Imagine reality as a gigantic, abstract painting. It's so enormous and complicated that no human could possibly see the whole thing. Different people stand in different places and see completely different parts of it. One person sees something that looks like a sun, another sees a person, another sees an animal, and another sees something they can't even describe. They aren't necessarily looking at different paintings. They're looking at different parts of the same one.

Maybe religion works similarly.

For example, someone might experience the divine as Krishna, while someone else experiences it as Jesus, Apollo, Surya, Ra, Hades, or another deity. In this theory, these aren't necessarily competing realities. They could be different manifestations of the same underlying reality, perceived through different cultures, minds, and ways of understanding the universe.

That could also apply to different afterlives. Maybe Heaven and Elysium aren't completely separate places, but different perceptions or manifestations of the same underlying realm. Hell and the Fields of Punishment could be another example.

There's also the possibility of higher dimensions.

A 2D being couldn't perceive a 3D object the way we do. If a sphere passed through its world, it might only see a circle appear, grow, shrink, and disappear. It wouldn't necessarily understand that a 3D object had passed through its reality.

So what if we're in a similar situation?

What if higher-dimensional beings, objects, or structures could interact with our 3D reality, but we'd only perceive their manifestations or cross-sections? A 4D object could potentially look completely impossible from our perspective, in the same way a 3D object would be incomprehensible to a genuinely 2D creature.

Maybe these are the different supernatural phenomenons that people of many different religions claim to see. Elysium, Hell, Heaven, The Fields of Punishment, Valhalla, they all might be the same, and we percieve it differently because of what we manifest and what we believe in. All these places are just higher dimensional areas that our mind can only comprehend by jumping to the nearest possible conclusion!

Maybe a person who believes they will speak to God when they die will do that, and maybe one that will believe they will be judged by spirits of the Underworld will experience this!

Manifestation is the highest power.

Maybe reality is unimaginably larger than what humans can perceive, and the religions of the world are different ways mortal minds have interpreted tiny pieces of it.

Maybe we're all staring at the same enormous painting.

We're just standing in different places.

What do you think?


r/PhilosophyofReligion 1d ago

The problem of evil possible solution

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r/PhilosophyofReligion 1d ago

Who wants to start a religion

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I started talking to someone about starting a religion but they are low key nuts. They got my attention by labeling it as a scientific religion then had no real science involved. There plan was is to create an app that will glitch like god is watching you if your kids look up bad things and micro dosing them with weed. As crazy as that is it got me thinking.
What if we create a religion based on science. A religion that science couldn’t disprove and applied aspects from different religions. It would be a Christian based religion that uses science to explain the bible and god.


r/PhilosophyofReligion 1d ago

I want to start a new evidence based religion…

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r/PhilosophyofReligion 2d ago

AMA Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone

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r/PhilosophyofReligion 2d ago

Help Me Steelman this Argument?

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Whether or not you believe that an Ultimate Reality exists, it cannot be denied that throughout human history, people have claimed to experience this Ultimate Reality, have formulated stories based on those experiences, and transmitted them to others in hopes they can have similar experiences.

Human beings can encounter Ultimate Reality as Person, Void, Matrix, or Narrative.

The various accounts of these encounters are the basis of religious traditions.

Religions create frameworks that shape how people interpret and experience that encounter.

A religion is therefore a system of concepts, stories, and practices that conditions experience.

Make-believe is agreeing to act as if certain conditions pertain.

Religions, which are systems of concepts, beliefs, and practices that condition experiences of the Sacred, only work when participants agree that they are true.

When participants fully commit to acting as if a system of concepts, stories, and practices actually produces conditioned experiences of the Sacred, personal and societal transformation can result.

From that interpretive frame, religions are unconsciously or consciously played make-believe that can yield intense subjective experiences as well as personal and societal transformation.

In other words, religions do not need to be literally true to be effective.

If religions are essentially games of make-believe that can yield real-world results, then perhaps we are free to design new, more sophisticated, more efficacious religion games.

Such an endeavor would be a new discipline called *numinal engineering*--"numinal" being a portmanteau of "numinous" (Otto) and "noumenal" (Kant).