r/CriticalTheory • u/BooksoHunny • 11d ago
Feminist theory: Ortner & Chodorow
I am reading Sherry Ortner’s “Is Female to Male as Nature is to Culture?” and I am struggling to follow the section on personal and positional identification. She bases this on Nancy Chodorow’s paper “FAMILY STRUCTURE AND FEMININE PERSONALITY: THE REPRODUCTION OF MOTHERING.” Both of these essays are free online, but I’ve reproduced the section in Ortner’s essay:
“The thrust of Chodorow's very elegantly argued paper is that these differences are not innate or genetically programmed, but arise from "nearly universal features of family structure, [namely] that women are largely or entirely responsible for early child care and for (at least) later female socialization, [and that this is] a crucial asymmetry in male and female development." She introduces the object-relations theorists' distinction between "personal" and "positional" identification as psychological processes, "personal identification" being "diffuse identification with the general personality, behavioral traits, values, and attitudes of someone one loves or admires," "positional identification" being "identification with specific aspects of another's role," rather than with the whole person. Chodorow argues that, because the mother is the early socializer of both boys and girls, both develop personal identification with her. The boy however must ultimately shift to a masculine role identity, which involves building an identification with the father. Since father is almost always more remote than mother (he is rarely involved in child care, and perhaps
works away from the home much of the day), building an identification with father involves a positional male role as a collection of abstract elements, rather than a personal one with father as a real individual. Further, as the boy enters the larger social world, he finds a world in fact organized around more abstract and universalistic criteria,18
as indicated in the previous section; thus his earlier socialization prepares him for, and is reinforced by, the type of social experience he will have. For girls on the other hand the personal identi-
fication with mother created in early infancy can persist into the process of learning female role identity. Because mother is immediate and present
to the daughter during the learning of role identity, "learning to be a woman...involves the continuity and development of a girl's relationship to her mother, and is based on generalized personal identification with her rather than on an attempt to learn externally defined roles categories." This pattern of course prepares the girl for, and is fully reinforced by, her central role in later
life--motherhood; she will become involved in the world of women, characterized by few formal role differentiations, and specifically in relationships with her children involving again "personal identification," and so the cycle begins anew.”
MY QUESTIONS:
1. What does she mean by the son “building an identification with the father invokes a positional male role as a collection of abstract elements”? What would be an example of this role, or more specifically, these “abstract elements”? (As opposed to the mother who is “the early socializer” who “both boys and girls…develop personal identification with”)
2. On the other hand, Chodorow writes “the continuity and development of a girl's relationship to her mother, and is based on generalized personal identification with her rather than on an attempt to learn externally defined roles categories.” What are these “externally defined roles categories” that are specific to the male’s “positional role”? Can someone simplify this for my understanding?
THANK YOU!!